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	<title>Comments on: Hannah Montana fan club members to sue the fan club. Hopefully the judge is a Bayesian</title>
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		<title>By: anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lalalalalalalalalalallalalalala..................

i will always be singing your best of both worlds.


I LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOVE MILEY .</description>
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<p>i will always be singing your best of both worlds.</p>
<p>I LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLOVE MILEY .</p>
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		<title>By: malvika</title>
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		<dc:creator>malvika</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Aug 2009 10:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i am a greatest fan of hannah montana.
i love all her songs.

best of both worlds is my favorite song.


I LOVE YOU HANNAH MONTANA AND I AM A GREAT FAN OF HER.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i am a greatest fan of hannah montana.<br />
i love all her songs.</p>
<p>best of both worlds is my favorite song.</p>
<p>I LOVE YOU HANNAH MONTANA AND I AM A GREAT FAN OF HER.</p>
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		<title>By: hannaah montan</title>
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		<dc:creator>hannaah montan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Sep 2008 23:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ilove 4our conc tsi
one im to see annweait to see another

one,uour newest like
watch pretttysmie ilike to 
ver4 smat 
eddie talbot
6507hid
832o1pocatello</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ilove 4our conc tsi<br />
one im to see annweait to see another</p>
<p>one,uour newest like<br />
watch pretttysmie ilike to<br />
ver4 smat<br />
eddie talbot<br />
6507hid<br />
832o1pocatello</p>
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		<title>By: freneticfangirl</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 10:31:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>okay ilove u hannah montana lol hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>okay ilove u hannah montana lol hahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.</p>
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		<title>By: nadya</title>
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		<dc:creator>nadya</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 10:53:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>je t aime peut tu venir a roubaix cun jour</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>je t aime peut tu venir a roubaix cun jour</p>
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		<title>By: Topic of The Day: Hannah Montana Fan Club Sues! &#171; Look Sharp</title>
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		<dc:creator>Topic of The Day: Hannah Montana Fan Club Sues! &#171; Look Sharp</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Dec 2007 17:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hannah Montana fan club members to sue the fan club. Hopefully the &#8230; [...]</description>
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		<title>By: zooeygoethe</title>
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		<dc:creator>zooeygoethe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:27:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said assuming OLS - I&#039;m assuming iid Normal errors. And my multiple regression model is incomplete, almost certainly. Don&#039;t be a trouble-maker. 

Everyone else, Pete (former office-mate, so I can call him names freely, the jerk) is referring to selection bias (probably correctly). If people are electing to become fan club members for the purpose of getting tickets, there is the distinct possibility that they are going to make more of an effort. 

There is, however, also the possibility that being members generates ticket-securing-complacancy: perhaps they made less effort. 

Either way, the OLS assusmption that the error terms are independent and identicically distributed breaks down: the errors make be structural, meaning correlated with the explanatory variables. 

E.g., suppose systematically more variance is observed in one membership category than the other; or, as Pete said, some third variable is explaining both one&#039;s success at getting a ticket and one&#039;s membership in the fan club - call it Initiative. This is a very hard thing to go out and measure. 

I never defended Economists. I would remind Pete, though, that simple Economics has already explained both how this problem arose, and why, and what might easily have been done to prevent it, or correct it after the fact. The problem here wasn&#039;t economics, it was &#039;hurricane people&#039; and class-action litigation firms ...

Plus, 3 years ago, he was the one giving me stick for not calling myself an Economist. Pete: do give my regards to those roosting chickens you&#039;ve got coming home.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said assuming OLS &#8211; I&#8217;m assuming iid Normal errors. And my multiple regression model is incomplete, almost certainly. Don&#8217;t be a trouble-maker. </p>
<p>Everyone else, Pete (former office-mate, so I can call him names freely, the jerk) is referring to selection bias (probably correctly). If people are electing to become fan club members for the purpose of getting tickets, there is the distinct possibility that they are going to make more of an effort. </p>
<p>There is, however, also the possibility that being members generates ticket-securing-complacancy: perhaps they made less effort. </p>
<p>Either way, the OLS assusmption that the error terms are independent and identicically distributed breaks down: the errors make be structural, meaning correlated with the explanatory variables. </p>
<p>E.g., suppose systematically more variance is observed in one membership category than the other; or, as Pete said, some third variable is explaining both one&#8217;s success at getting a ticket and one&#8217;s membership in the fan club &#8211; call it Initiative. This is a very hard thing to go out and measure. </p>
<p>I never defended Economists. I would remind Pete, though, that simple Economics has already explained both how this problem arose, and why, and what might easily have been done to prevent it, or correct it after the fact. The problem here wasn&#8217;t economics, it was &#8216;hurricane people&#8217; and class-action litigation firms &#8230;</p>
<p>Plus, 3 years ago, he was the one giving me stick for not calling myself an Economist. Pete: do give my regards to those roosting chickens you&#8217;ve got coming home.</p>
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		<title>By: peter sivey</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter sivey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 15:00:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What if membership is endogenous?  Fans who become members might be more likely to &#039;try harder&#039; to get the tickets.  They will make sure they know the exact date tickets are on sale, refresh their web browser more times trying to get to the tickets page.  Some of these things might be in your control variables, but maybe more are unobserved, biasing beta1 upwards.  :-)

Economists *pretend* econometrics can solve anything!

Pete</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What if membership is endogenous?  Fans who become members might be more likely to &#8216;try harder&#8217; to get the tickets.  They will make sure they know the exact date tickets are on sale, refresh their web browser more times trying to get to the tickets page.  Some of these things might be in your control variables, but maybe more are unobserved, biasing beta1 upwards.  <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Economists *pretend* econometrics can solve anything!</p>
<p>Pete</p>
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